we needed more fun and energy, oprah needed to be on more often. oprah came on the network in the beginning of january and we had been on the air already for almost a year. >> she wishes she would have been on from the get-go. >> even if she was, it still would have taken. you have to make your mistakes, your stumbles, learn from it and move forward. when oprah is on own, we're usually a top five network in america, we also have "sweetie pies" a lot of talk characters during the day but the length of view is about 90 minutes so people are spending a lot of time with it. >> that's so important. >> the network is one of the fastest growing cable networks in america. >> that was going to be my question it's a pure cable play which you'd like to have because of the dual revenue stream but it's difficult to be in cable channel play if all your channels stink. if you do, then you have something and it becomes international now, that's what you're doing. >> when i got to discovery we had 13 channels in the u.s. and six channels in 00 countries around the